Hi...

[B|ind-Guardian]

First of all thank you frskor13 and the others. Second is wtf is your problem taiidan_loyalis? First of all it was a general question and two I didn't ask you repeatedly or the whole forum repeatedly. Next time you do something like that to me I'm gonna do stuff. So lay off.

[banshee]

welcome aboard guardian
ps what is stuff? no... don't answer that...

[B|ind-Guardian]

[taiidan_loyalis]

what did i do???

huh? Man, I HAD to leave those games, I don't know when I get on, and Please stop hurting me! (emotionally) *sobs* WHA'D I DO???

[Quar]

had to leave cause u were losing

[taiidan_loyalis]

have you read my profile? i'm 14, which means i still leave with my parents, i still have to go to school, and i still do chores. My mom told me to do my homework, so I couldn't stay on. It's true i used to leave to ruin games and such, but i regret all those times. Please understand i am a scared newbie, so i might scuttle after a huge fleet comes in for the kill, but i'm trying to face each challenge that comes. ever since i beat homeworld cataclysm, i have gained more confidence and am now trying to fight no matter what.

if you hate me because i violated your sense of honor, then go ahead and ban me.

[ThePeace_Keeper]

Scared newbie you've had the game longer than I have.

[banshee]

no no no
no hate, no ban
just chill out
people aren't gonna play with you if you're gonna leave in the middle no matter the reason. just try to play online when you are sure you have the time to finish the game, and play against the computer when you're gonna have to leave shortly.
and just do not ever scuttle your mothership, that's just beyond lame. when you start a game, hit the esc button, a menu will pop up, click the button on the menu that says "record". fight it out and then go watch the rec to see why you lost.

[APOLLO]

You know, this brings up an interesting issue that I don't think I've seen much debate on, when is it acceptable to scuttle? Now I'll admit that I'm a sore loser, and if there is no hope of redemption I will scuttle. But at least I'll put a fight up before I make that decision. But I've always been of the opinion that there are appropriate times to scuttle, and times when you shouldn't. I'm interested to read what other's think.

First of all, I feel is it entirely appropriate for you to scuttle in a team game if you are losing, and it will help your ally's cause by destroying and/or injuring your opponent's ships. There have been many times when my ally's scuttle has allowed me to win a game, and vice versa.

I feel it is appropriate to scuttle at the end of ladder games if the game is not in doubt, and one person is solidly in control, i.e. the losing person is to the point that he has lost his collection operation or any means to defend it. Now some may disagree with this, but ladder players typically want to play as many ladder games as they can in a given period of time, and scuttling saves 3 - 5 minutes of time it may take to kill a MS off. 3 - 5 minutes may mean the difference between getting back in time to get another ladder game with someone who'll allow you to move up the ladder, or whether it's too late, and that person already has a game.

It is not cool to scuttle after you've lost the first scout battle. You should fight beyond that. I don't care what you've heard to the contrary, I've seen people come back from defeat in the scout battle to win the war. It doesn't happen often in ladder games, but in team campaigns, I've done it, and had it done to me (damm you Dukath ).

It is NEVER cool to quit a game without scuttling. That is the quickest way to get yourself on the permanent ban list of most HW players (oops, time to think of another screen-name ;) ). You owe your opponent the satisfaction of seeing your MS blow up in a blaze of glory, whether he actually causes it or not.

[Zap Fabian]

ditto apollo

except that I dont scuttle in single player games at all. I dont play ladder matches but... *shrugs*

I like to fight it out til the end. Give the guy as much grief as possible before seeing my burning smoking ms vaporize into a puff of plasma.

[GuaRRand]

a few things

First:
HI Blind Guardian

Second:

I thought why not say hi to a group of people that are fun loving and stuff o' that nature.

You're talking about FL??, you havent been around much huh? (dont hurt me frst )

Third:
I see you already met Taiidan Loyalis, our resident flame pet and general allround dolt.
Have fun flaming him a few times..its on the house..ermm..forum.

P.S. Reki/Molle, can i plug my site now?, huh?, can i?, huh?, please?, can i?
Oh..i seem to have done it already, it feels so natural :P

-END-

[MartianChiken]

I always ask permission to scuttle when its hopeless.... when they want to kill me, i sit back, open a beer and watch the show

And it is acceptable in a team game to scuttle.... i once destroyed over 50 fighters and about 30 vettes when scuttling, to give my ally a change...
He still lost, but oh well

[taiidan_loyalis]

First of all, I'm a little varied in my scuttling. If every combat ship has been crushed and enemy ships are at my front door, I might scuttle, or i might just let them kill me. it depends. If I lost my entire battle group to just a fraction of his and It's 1v1 (or the eqivulent, all other players destroyed), I'll scuttle, realizing that by the time i can rebuild my fleet, my MS will be one hit away from meeting oblivion.

Second of all, nice site guurrand (did i spell that right?) it's very cool.

so, that's just me.


RUE ?

[frstkor13]

I agree with everything apollo said. I think it is cool how in cataclysm you cant scuttle carriers or cs's. haha

I also think that scuttling can be planned directly into some games. 2v2 games on radial, a scuttle is incredibly effective. say you both go caps... well if you get swarmed your not gonna win the early battle/s. one of the lads ops all his RU to his friend, get the MS in real close and hold off on the last 5% of a grav/AF/SF until after the scuttle. after its popped your screwed.

also in talas 3v3 games scuttles can completely change the outcome. say team one has a dominating frig fleet... the game is won, team one is going around to the MSs now. 2 ms are very close to each other and a 3rd is off out of blast range. 2 scuttles in a row will completely destroy any frig fleet leaving player 3 to mop up and possibly win. I've seen it happen.

scuttles are awesome sometimes, but most of the time its just some newbie leaving the game, without even scuttling.

[Dimension]

yeah, i know about the two scuttles being devestating to a frig fleet

i was once playing frst here and Molle in a 2v2 allied with Raven. Raven went swarm i think, both FL's too, and i tried to whore on SF's and go frigs and maybe grav. of course we lost the scout battle, but we stalled them a bit, and i was able to keep my reource op at like three colls while loosing two SF and getting 4-5 AF and 2 ions out, as well as like 6-7 SF overall. still, the FL had large swarms out which i couldn't kill, so Raven scuttled. now the trikee part comes in. frst scuttles immediately killing all my frigs but 3 AF and all colls except one. Molle has nothing but 3 collectors, but my AF don't have the firepower to kill his colls before they can dock with his MS. then Molle's Destroyer comes out. i am building ions, but my collector is dead after a few moments. lost game. gg. still awefully close