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Well rules I am sorry that things went the way they did last night but you left me no choice so I am leaving MV. I will be reconfiguring the server, deleting the MV references. Everybody can still play it but at some point it will become a clanserver for a group of HW players playing RtCW.
We obviously have completely different ideas about what we were doing. Just for the record my vision was of a group of leet gamers from the HW community grouped together to learn and play RtCW together. I saw it working just like BM and FL - no real leader but everybody on the same page because they think alike and respect each other. In games somebody would be calling the plays and that is whoever is best suited to do it. I have always deferred to you and rekz whan he plays with us.
Telling your teammates what to do outside of a game is NOT part of my vision. This is the problem:
[23:25] < lordrule > btw
[23:25] < lordrule > just for all your info
[23:26] < lordrule > im not gonna play anymore
[23:27] < Reaps|RtCW > ?
[23:28] < lordrule > plain and simple
[23:28] < Reaps|RtCW > ever?
[23:28] < lordrule > well until u guys change your nicks
[23:28] < banshee > he had to sell his computer for crack
[23:28] < Reaps|RtCW > lol
[23:28] < Toxic > lmoa
[23:28] < Reaps|RtCW > well rules
[23:28] < Reaps|RtCW > lets vote
[23:28] < Reaps|RtCW > hands up all mv
[23:28] < lordrule > or u guys leave mv its up to u
[23:29] < lordrule > if i wnted to vote on it I WOULD of PUT A POLL UP
[23:29] < Reaps|RtCW > bansh
[23:29] < Toxic > [Mv]
[23:29] < lordrule > sorry
[23:29] < lordrule > .
[23:29] < banshee > lmao rule
[23:29] < Reaps|RtCW > ]mv[
[23:30] < lordrule > i done talking
[23:30] < lordrule > .
[23:30] < Reaps|RtCW > .
[23:30] < Toxic > .
[23:30] < Reaps|RtCW > .mv.ruler
[23:30] < Reaps|RtCW > .
[23:31] < lordrule > unfortuatly im not joking
[23:31] < Toxic > argar
[23:31] < Toxic > =/
[23:31] < Reaps|RtCW > rules were not opposed to doing a change
[23:31] < Reaps|RtCW > but
[23:31] < Reaps|RtCW > urs is veak
[23:31] < Toxic > VEAK
[23:32] < Reaps|RtCW > yeah
[23:32] < Reaps|RtCW > the other clans will laff
[23:32] < lordrule > then dont change
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At that point we spent half an hour trying to get you to even have a conversation with us - and you wouldn't even do that. Remember:
[23:46] < Reaps|RtCW > rules u need to get back in #wolf
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[23:51] -asdf:#freelance- Hello!
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[23:52] < lordrule > no i dont
Then finally we get you to talk in #fldogma:
[00:02] < Reaps|RtCW > rules
[00:03] < Reaps|RtCW > since you obviously dont have the interest to have a conversation there's no way a team would work
[00:04] < Reaps|RtCW > I for one cant play in a team like that
[00:04] < Toxic > =(
[00:04] < Reaps|RtCW > where ur gonna have a hissy fit every time peeps dont do things ur way
[00:04] < lordrule > neither can i
[00:04] < Reaps|RtCW > we're either a team
[00:04] < Reaps|RtCW > or we're history
[00:05] < Reaps|RtCW > imho
[00:05] < Reaps|RtCW > and a team
[00:05] < lordrule> i agree
[00:05] < Toxic > agreed
[00:05] < Reaps|RtCW > doesnt have a dictator
[00:05] < Reaps|RtCW > I never asked to run anything
[00:06] < Reaps|RtCW > but i expected we are all on thew same page
[00:06] < lordrule > niether did i
[00:06] < Reaps|RtCW > so I didnt really think we needed a leader
[00:06] < Reaps|RtCW > as such
[00:06] < Reaps|RtCW > except for gameplay calls
[00:06] < lordrule > ok
[00:06] < Reaps|RtCW > and I have no problem with u on point
[00:07] < Reaps|RtCW > but this is outta hand
[00:08] < Toxic > Rulez I have a ? and plz be sincere
[00:08] < Toxic > In order for you to be a part of a clan in RTCW are you gonna HAVE to be a leader or run things in order to be happy or have fun?
[00:09] < lordrule > no
[00:09] < Toxic > good
[00:09] < lordrule > but i made it i make the tag
[00:09] < lordrule > .
[00:09] < Reaps|RtCW > made what?
[00:09] < lordrule > mv
[00:09] < Reaps|RtCW > the team?
[00:09] < lordrule > the name
[00:09] < Toxic > ok
[00:09] < Reaps|RtCW > yes but when u "made" mv
[00:10] < Reaps|RtCW > it was just you
[00:10] < lordrule > yes i made the name
[00:10] < Reaps|RtCW > now
[00:10] < lordrule > i get to chang eit
[00:10] < Reaps|RtCW > it isnt just you
[00:10] < Reaps|RtCW > any more
[00:10] < Reaps|RtCW > its a team
[00:10] < Reaps|RtCW > and if u want a good team
[00:10] < Reaps|RtCW > then u respect ur teammates
[00:10] < Reaps|RtCW > .
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[00:10] < lordrule > what does respect have to do with this
[00:11] < Reaps|RtCW > well quite a lot
[00:11] < Toxic > a lot actually
[00:11] < lordrule > all i want is mv to be shown the rite way
[00:11] < eTombotron > what's the problem
[00:11] < Reaps|RtCW > but rules
[00:11] < Reaps|RtCW > heres the prob
[00:11] < Reaps|RtCW > 'when we all joined mv
[00:11] < Reaps|RtCW > it had a certain set of tags
[00:11] < Reaps|RtCW > and we all fell into line
[00:11] < lordrule > yes ones that was temp
[00:12] < Reaps|RtCW > are you saying that every time u wanna change it it just gets changed?
[00:12] < lordrule > no
[00:12] < Reaps|RtCW > no team discussion
[00:12] < lordrule > i want to change it to the reite now
[00:12] < lordrule > .
[00:12] < lordrule > one
[00:12] < Reaps|RtCW > well
[00:12] < Reaps|RtCW > I think the tags really arent a big deal
[00:12] < lordrule > i agree
[00:12] < lordrule > so change
[00:13] < Reaps|RtCW > but the teamwork IS
[00:13] < Reaps|RtCW > very much
[00:13] < lordrule > ok i agree
[00:13] < lordrule > who cares about tags - lets just keep them the correct way
[00:13] < lordrule > the way u see them on my name
[00:13] < lordrule > is the correct way
[00:13] < Toxic > heh who says whats "correct" no offense
[00:14] < lordrule > i do
[00:14] < lordrule > sinec i made the name
[00:14] < Reaps|RtCW > rules
[00:14] < lordrule > and the tag
[00:14] < Reaps|RtCW > whats more important
[00:14] < Reaps|RtCW > the tag
[00:14] < Reaps|RtCW > or the team
[00:14] < lordrule > team
[00:14] < Reaps|RtCW > ?
[00:14] < Reaps|RtCW > rite
[00:14] < Reaps|RtCW > well
[00:14] < lordrule > like i just waid
[00:14] < lordrule > who cares about tags - lets just keep them the correct way
[00:14] < Reaps|RtCW > ur tags SUK
[00:14] < Reaps|RtCW > sry
[00:14] < lordrule > i didnt ask for ur opinion
[00:14] < Toxic > Rulez make 5 diff tags u like...and have the TEAM vote on it
[00:15] < Reaps|RtCW > <lordrule> i didnt ask for ur opinion
[00:15] < Reaps|RtCW > <lordrule> i didnt ask for ur opinion
[00:15] < Reaps|RtCW > <lordrule> i didnt ask for ur opinion
[00:15] < Reaps|RtCW > exactly
[00:15] < Reaps|RtCW > u dont get it
[00:15] < Reaps|RtCW > im out
[00:15] < Reaps|RtCW > .
[00:15] < Reaps|RtCW > bye
I stand by what I said Rules. I dont think the tags are any big deal but I wont play with people who act like it has to be my way or else you leave the clan. I'm leaving the clan.
Tox and I most likely will work on building a group of guys along the lines I stated at the beginning. There wont be a clan dictator. Everybody in it will treat the others with respect and consideration and nobody will be telling others what to do or threatening them with being kicked out. Nobody will have any more owwnership than anybody else and we will make hard decisions by vote. In gameplay as good gamers we will quickly recognize each others' strengths and weaknesses and we will set up plays based on that. It probably wont even need much disussion because there wont be anybody trying to tell other people what to do even if they disagree. If you decide you want to be a part of that kind of a RtCW clan then the door will always be open - we would love to game with you but on those terms.
We obviously have completely different ideas about what we were doing. Just for the record my vision was of a group of leet gamers from the HW community grouped together to learn and play RtCW together. I saw it working just like BM and FL - no real leader but everybody on the same page because they think alike and respect each other. In games somebody would be calling the plays and that is whoever is best suited to do it. I have always deferred to you and rekz whan he plays with us.
Telling your teammates what to do outside of a game is NOT part of my vision. This is the problem:
[23:25] < lordrule > btw
[23:25] < lordrule > just for all your info
[23:26] < lordrule > im not gonna play anymore
[23:27] < Reaps|RtCW > ?
[23:28] < lordrule > plain and simple
[23:28] < Reaps|RtCW > ever?
[23:28] < lordrule > well until u guys change your nicks
[23:28] < banshee > he had to sell his computer for crack
[23:28] < Reaps|RtCW > lol
[23:28] < Toxic > lmoa
[23:28] < Reaps|RtCW > well rules
[23:28] < Reaps|RtCW > lets vote
[23:28] < Reaps|RtCW > hands up all mv
[23:28] < lordrule > or u guys leave mv its up to u
[23:29] < lordrule > if i wnted to vote on it I WOULD of PUT A POLL UP
[23:29] < Reaps|RtCW > bansh
[23:29] < Toxic > [Mv]
[23:29] < lordrule > sorry
[23:29] < lordrule > .
[23:29] < banshee > lmao rule
[23:29] < Reaps|RtCW > ]mv[
[23:30] < lordrule > i done talking
[23:30] < lordrule > .
[23:30] < Reaps|RtCW > .
[23:30] < Toxic > .
[23:30] < Reaps|RtCW > .mv.ruler
[23:30] < Reaps|RtCW > .
[23:31] < lordrule > unfortuatly im not joking
[23:31] < Toxic > argar
[23:31] < Toxic > =/
[23:31] < Reaps|RtCW > rules were not opposed to doing a change
[23:31] < Reaps|RtCW > but
[23:31] < Reaps|RtCW > urs is veak
[23:31] < Toxic > VEAK
[23:32] < Reaps|RtCW > yeah
[23:32] < Reaps|RtCW > the other clans will laff
[23:32] < lordrule > then dont change
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At that point we spent half an hour trying to get you to even have a conversation with us - and you wouldn't even do that. Remember:
[23:46] < Reaps|RtCW > rules u need to get back in #wolf
[23:46] *** mrmin123 has joined #freelance
[23:46] *** ChanOp sets mode: +o mrmin123
[23:49] *** Catnap sets mode: +o asdf
[23:51] -asdf:#freelance- Hello!
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[23:52] < lordrule > no i dont
Then finally we get you to talk in #fldogma:
[00:02] < Reaps|RtCW > rules
[00:03] < Reaps|RtCW > since you obviously dont have the interest to have a conversation there's no way a team would work
[00:04] < Reaps|RtCW > I for one cant play in a team like that
[00:04] < Toxic > =(
[00:04] < Reaps|RtCW > where ur gonna have a hissy fit every time peeps dont do things ur way
[00:04] < lordrule > neither can i
[00:04] < Reaps|RtCW > we're either a team
[00:04] < Reaps|RtCW > or we're history
[00:05] < Reaps|RtCW > imho
[00:05] < Reaps|RtCW > and a team
[00:05] < lordrule> i agree
[00:05] < Toxic > agreed
[00:05] < Reaps|RtCW > doesnt have a dictator
[00:05] < Reaps|RtCW > I never asked to run anything
[00:06] < Reaps|RtCW > but i expected we are all on thew same page
[00:06] < lordrule > niether did i
[00:06] < Reaps|RtCW > so I didnt really think we needed a leader
[00:06] < Reaps|RtCW > as such
[00:06] < Reaps|RtCW > except for gameplay calls
[00:06] < lordrule > ok
[00:06] < Reaps|RtCW > and I have no problem with u on point
[00:07] < Reaps|RtCW > but this is outta hand
[00:08] < Toxic > Rulez I have a ? and plz be sincere
[00:08] < Toxic > In order for you to be a part of a clan in RTCW are you gonna HAVE to be a leader or run things in order to be happy or have fun?
[00:09] < lordrule > no
[00:09] < Toxic > good
[00:09] < lordrule > but i made it i make the tag
[00:09] < lordrule > .
[00:09] < Reaps|RtCW > made what?
[00:09] < lordrule > mv
[00:09] < Reaps|RtCW > the team?
[00:09] < lordrule > the name
[00:09] < Toxic > ok
[00:09] < Reaps|RtCW > yes but when u "made" mv
[00:10] < Reaps|RtCW > it was just you
[00:10] < lordrule > yes i made the name
[00:10] < Reaps|RtCW > now
[00:10] < lordrule > i get to chang eit
[00:10] < Reaps|RtCW > it isnt just you
[00:10] < Reaps|RtCW > any more
[00:10] < Reaps|RtCW > its a team
[00:10] < Reaps|RtCW > and if u want a good team
[00:10] < Reaps|RtCW > then u respect ur teammates
[00:10] < Reaps|RtCW > .
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[00:10] < lordrule > what does respect have to do with this
[00:11] < Reaps|RtCW > well quite a lot
[00:11] < Toxic > a lot actually
[00:11] < lordrule > all i want is mv to be shown the rite way
[00:11] < eTombotron > what's the problem
[00:11] < Reaps|RtCW > but rules
[00:11] < Reaps|RtCW > heres the prob
[00:11] < Reaps|RtCW > 'when we all joined mv
[00:11] < Reaps|RtCW > it had a certain set of tags
[00:11] < Reaps|RtCW > and we all fell into line
[00:11] < lordrule > yes ones that was temp
[00:12] < Reaps|RtCW > are you saying that every time u wanna change it it just gets changed?
[00:12] < lordrule > no
[00:12] < Reaps|RtCW > no team discussion
[00:12] < lordrule > i want to change it to the reite now
[00:12] < lordrule > .
[00:12] < lordrule > one
[00:12] < Reaps|RtCW > well
[00:12] < Reaps|RtCW > I think the tags really arent a big deal
[00:12] < lordrule > i agree
[00:12] < lordrule > so change
[00:13] < Reaps|RtCW > but the teamwork IS
[00:13] < Reaps|RtCW > very much
[00:13] < lordrule > ok i agree
[00:13] < lordrule > who cares about tags - lets just keep them the correct way
[00:13] < lordrule > the way u see them on my name
[00:13] < lordrule > is the correct way
[00:13] < Toxic > heh who says whats "correct" no offense
[00:14] < lordrule > i do
[00:14] < lordrule > sinec i made the name
[00:14] < Reaps|RtCW > rules
[00:14] < lordrule > and the tag
[00:14] < Reaps|RtCW > whats more important
[00:14] < Reaps|RtCW > the tag
[00:14] < Reaps|RtCW > or the team
[00:14] < lordrule > team
[00:14] < Reaps|RtCW > ?
[00:14] < Reaps|RtCW > rite
[00:14] < Reaps|RtCW > well
[00:14] < lordrule > like i just waid
[00:14] < lordrule > who cares about tags - lets just keep them the correct way
[00:14] < Reaps|RtCW > ur tags SUK
[00:14] < Reaps|RtCW > sry
[00:14] < lordrule > i didnt ask for ur opinion
[00:14] < Toxic > Rulez make 5 diff tags u like...and have the TEAM vote on it
[00:15] < Reaps|RtCW > <lordrule> i didnt ask for ur opinion
[00:15] < Reaps|RtCW > <lordrule> i didnt ask for ur opinion
[00:15] < Reaps|RtCW > <lordrule> i didnt ask for ur opinion
[00:15] < Reaps|RtCW > exactly
[00:15] < Reaps|RtCW > u dont get it
[00:15] < Reaps|RtCW > im out
[00:15] < Reaps|RtCW > .
[00:15] < Reaps|RtCW > bye
I stand by what I said Rules. I dont think the tags are any big deal but I wont play with people who act like it has to be my way or else you leave the clan. I'm leaving the clan.
Tox and I most likely will work on building a group of guys along the lines I stated at the beginning. There wont be a clan dictator. Everybody in it will treat the others with respect and consideration and nobody will be telling others what to do or threatening them with being kicked out. Nobody will have any more owwnership than anybody else and we will make hard decisions by vote. In gameplay as good gamers we will quickly recognize each others' strengths and weaknesses and we will set up plays based on that. It probably wont even need much disussion because there wont be anybody trying to tell other people what to do even if they disagree. If you decide you want to be a part of that kind of a RtCW clan then the door will always be open - we would love to game with you but on those terms.
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